REF QUESTIONS

[swampdonkey]

if you strike the cue ball then leaves the table after hitting the object is it a foul if the cue returns back on the table ...ie say a freak bounce ?

[swampdonkey]

cue ball i mean

[iceman]

U. Balls off the Table
It is Standard Foul if a ball leaves the playing surface (other than being potted) and remains off the playing surface or doesn't return by its own means.


Definitions / Examples


"Playing Surface":- The playing surface of the table is the flat part of the table between the cushions.


"By its own means":-
It is not a foul if a ball leaves the playing surface, runs along the top of a cushion, drops back on to the playing surface and comes to rest there or falls into a pocket.
It is a Standard Foul if a ball leaves the playing surface, comes into contact with a person or object that is not a part of the table and then returns to the playing surface.

[philref]

U. Balls off the Table
It is Standard Foul if a ball leaves the playing surface (other than being potted) and remains off the playing surface or doesn't return by its own means.


Definitions / Examples


"Playing Surface":- The playing surface of the table is the flat part of the table between the cushions.


"By its own means":-
It is not a foul if a ball leaves the playing surface, runs along the top of a cushion, drops back on to the playing surface and comes to rest there or falls into a pocket.
It is a Standard Foul if a ball leaves the playing surface, comes into contact with a person or object that is not a part of the table and then returns to the playing surface.

I couldn`t have said better myself, ever thought of being a ref iceman??

[Dave]

I couldn`t have said better myself, ever thought of being a ref iceman??

Don't speak too soon Phil, the Phoenix are still sore from this refereeing decision

With reference to a disputed refereeing decision in the above match last night I would like to make an apology. Garry asked for a total snooker on the basis that he couldn't make the finest clip on the right hand side of the black(his opponents ball was blocking the left/middle of the black). As a member of the Leeds Pool League Commitee I looked at the situation and agreed with Garry, and said he couldn't hit the right hand side of the black. Although I believe that to be the case - it wasn't relevent as you only have to be able to any part of the black for it not to be a total snooker! I wish someone had pointed that out last night and me & Garry would have realised straight away. But the argument/discussion was centred round whether he could make the finest clip on the black. As it was a judgement call rather than a rules call I told Kam(who was refereeing) that it was his decision and he said it wasn't a total snooker, which was the correct decision. As it happens it was pretty irrelevent as Garry was never going to go for the black in any case.
Again, apologies to all concerned.

[Dave]

I couldn`t have said better myself, ever thought of being a ref iceman??

Don't speak too soon Phil, the Phoenix are still sore from this refereeing decision

With reference to a disputed refereeing decision in the above match last night I would like to make an apology. Garry asked for a total snooker on the basis that he couldn't make the finest clip on the right hand side of the black(his opponents ball was blocking the left/middle of the black). As a member of the Leeds Pool League Commitee I looked at the situation and agreed with Garry, and said he couldn't hit the right hand side of the black. Although I believe that to be the case - it wasn't relevent as you only have to be able to any part of the black for it not to be a total snooker! I wish someone had pointed that out last night and me & Garry would have realised straight away. But the argument/discussion was centred round whether he could make the finest clip on the black. As it was a judgement call rather than a rules call I told Kam(who was refereeing) that it was his decision and he said it wasn't a total snooker, which was the correct decision. As it happens it was pretty irrelevent as Garry was never going to go for the black in any case.
Again, apologies to all concerned.

[iceman]

I didn't actually make the decision, so how would you still be sore from it. Kam made the call correctly.
At least I was man enough to admit I was wrong - which doesn't happen very often, cos I'm usually right!